Second Book?

[HeartyHeather]

I read the first book a while ago and I've been dying to know when he's going to publish the second. Anyone have any ideas? I'm DESPERATE for the 2nd. I loved the first SO much! I've been obsessed with Alyce since I was a child. If anyone has any information about the 2nd book or would like to chat with me, please do!

[Hatter M.9009]

I read the first book a while ago and I've been dying to know when he's going to publish the second. Anyone have any ideas? I'm DESPERATE for the 2nd. I loved the first SO much! I've been obsessed with Alyce since I was a child. If anyone has any information about the 2nd book or would like to chat with me, please do! I found out when book 2 was coming out...it is coming out in october

[HeartyHeather]

That is really fantastic. October! How'd you find out? Do you know when in October? Beginning of the month or the end? Is it coming to the US in October or the UK? Do you know what the title is going to be? I'm just so excited that you responded. I brought the book with me to work today so I can read it again. Thank you! :o

[Cheshire's Spade]

October 28, US, Seeing Redd

[HeartyHeather]

Thanks so much! I appreciate it. I think I might pre-order it from online. I'd be great if Mr. Beddor came down to Texas and did a signing! May I inquire, what was your favorite part of the book?

[Cheshire's Spade]

Oh i liked the first appearance of the cat. I think it was a clever representation of the character

[HeartyHeather]

Yeah! I really enjoyed that too. I was shocked at first though. I couldn't believe that wry, smiling cat was now this top-of-the-line assassin. It blew my mind. I really enjoyed his interpretation of the Mad Hatter. Hatter Madigan was by far one of my favorite if not the favorite. I still have a fondness for Alyss herself but Hatter Madigan is an extremely close second. Maybe he's 1.5.:p

[McGeesJabberwock]

May I inquire, what was your favorite part of the book?

It was probably when Hatter M scared Carroll out of his wits - that was funny. And mentioning Carroll's 'glow' actually made me come close to thinking that Beddor actually had some respect for the man. In terms of least favourite parts, I wasn't impressed with most of Part Three; it felt too much like the typical LotR fantasy quest stuff we've seen so many times before.

And don't write in dark red, it's hard to read.

[HeartyHeather]

I liked that part with Hatter M too. I also liked when he was rolled up in that carpet and then escaped and caused so much havoc. But I was sad for him wandering over so many cuontries for so long. That's dedication!
I liked the third part, it was exciting. I couldn't wait to turn the page and see what happened. Yes, it had some similarities but it's not like he meant it to sound like LoTR (also good books).
The reason I write in red is because it happens to be my favorite color. And I don't find it hard to read at all. But, out of respect of others eyes, I will change the color.
If you want to chat more we can continue on here or you can always message me on AIM.

[xTwilightKissx]

what do you guys think is gonna happen to Dodge? He's one of my favorites in the book

[HeartyHeather]

Not sure exactly. I want him to get revenge and everything but not at the expense of Alyss of anyone else. he's very preoccupied with it and it's affecting the way he defends her.

[Lady_Melisma]

I have the feeling Dodge will never really be free of his desire for vengeance. As much as Alyss would like it, Wonderland can't simply be divided into "White" and "Black" factions; there will always be the those who are the shades of grey in between, and Dodge may well be one of those.

[xTwilightKissx]

i have a feeling he's going to die, or at least be gravely wounded

[dodge anders]

don't bring that evil on him twilight! I like him according to meh name >.< course I like hatter better....

[Lady_Melisma]

i have a feeling he's going to die, or at least be gravely wounded

Well, let's not go that far! Gravely wounded, fine, but dead? Who would be the replacement romantic interest?!

And for love of White Imagination, please don't volunteer Jack of Diamonds. He's probably still got those charges of treason and collaboration against him....

[dodge anders]

I Don"t Want Him Hurt T_t

[Lady_Melisma]

Not even a knock on the head? It'd make for a rather dull fight if his opponents didn't even touch him.

[HeartyHeather]

Dodge has to get hurt at some point. I think we all have to come to terms with that. I really liked him in the book but towards the end I didn't. He was so self-involved and could've gotten a lot of people hurt with his disregard for anything not related to his revenge. I hope he doesn't die though. I kind of want him to get rehabilitated and become the old Dodge again. Think that's too much to expect?

[Lady_Melisma]

He won't be the innocent kid he was once, but I'd like to see him mature to the point where revenge isn't his main focus. Alyss might have to use tough love in order to set him straight. He doesn't have to be physically hurt if he gets a psychological beating.

[McGeesJabberwock]

Dodge has to get hurt at some point. I think we all have to come to terms with that. I really liked him in the book but towards the end I didn't. He was so self-involved and could've gotten a lot of people hurt with his disregard for anything not related to his revenge. I hope he doesn't die though. I kind of want him to get rehabilitated and become the old Dodge again. Think that's too much to expect?

Yes, it is. People change, and since this is meant to be 'dark', having him 'rehabilitated' would be a bit of a cop-out.

[Lady_Melisma]

If Redd makes a comeback, how is she supposed to do so? Throwing oneself into a giant energy crystal and becoming incorporal and spread throughout time and space seems rather difficult to extract oneself from (wholly, at least). Ideas, theories, hypotheses?

[xTwilightKissx]

If Redd makes a comeback, how is she supposed to do so? Throwing oneself into a giant energy crystal and becoming incorporal and spread throughout time and space seems rather difficult to extract oneself from (wholly, at least). Ideas, theories, hypotheses?



i have no idea. i was actually dissapointed when she did that. i mean i was expecting something different. But I do wonder how in the hell is she supposed to make this comeback or at least get out of there

[dodge anders]

my theory is that she will be "invented" somewhere else if you know what I mean, she was thrown in the invention ma bobber, and then come back to wonderland unexpectadly


OR

Alyss begins to believe she sees redd in the looking glass, because shes growing frightened or something, and eventually she does come back when Alyss looks somewhere where people walk out of mirrors, A.K.A The looking glass maze....

[xTwilightKissx]

my theory is that she will be "invented" somewhere else if you know what I mean, she was thrown in the invention ma bobber, and then come back to wonderland unexpectadly


OR

Alyss begins to believe she sees redd in the looking glass, because shes growing frightened or something, and eventually she does come back when Alyss looks somewhere where people walk out of mirrors, A.K.A The looking glass maze....



I agree with your invention theory. It's interesting

[ReadingChick]

If Redd makes a comeback, how is she supposed to do so? Throwing oneself into a giant energy crystal and becoming incorporal and spread throughout time and space seems rather difficult to extract oneself from (wholly, at least). Ideas, theories, hypotheses?

Reincarnation, perhaps? :confused:

[Queen Alyss]

The title is "Seeing Redd" so that would make sense or...

Alyss will be paranoid and actually begin to take on some of Redd's traits?

[Lady_Melisma]

I just wondered - is it possible that she doesn't make a physical return at all? What if the book is like a prequel, where Alyss is learning more about Wonderland's recent history and why Redd turned out the way she did. I'd like to see Redd fleshed out a bit more, discover her childhood, her experiences, and being the eldest daughter supplanted by a younger sister. Flashback appearances don't count as returning in the normal sense, do they?

Or maybe Redd doesn't get out of the crystal. Perhaps she begins influencing lesser minds, turning them into her puppets, try to assassinate Alyss or stage a coup and set the stage for another revolution further down the road. I'm pretty sure that Wonderland's always had periods of peace interspersed with times of civil war between the followers of Black and White Imagination.

[Verrici]

If Redd makes a comeback, how is she supposed to do so? Throwing oneself into a giant energy crystal and becoming incorporal and spread throughout time and space seems rather difficult to extract oneself from (wholly, at least). Ideas, theories, hypotheses?

I think that the paranoid theories are dead right but I some how see Redd coming back as Alyss' daughter in some point in the thrid book and then time will repeat it self all over again. Or Redd made a back up plan and will come back through some person and here is another thought, How will the Cct come back as well or are the couple some how stuck together.

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

There are several character's in the wonderland story that can provide a return...

The Dutchess for example, in the Wonderland story she could be compared to the queen. She has the same snap and anger.

I also have a theory that Molly is the Hatter's child, and the woman Hatter has been missing is the March Hare. Maybe Alyss seen them share a moment during a tea party, and she told Dodgeson while he was writing wonderland.
I have yet to see:
-The Mock Turtle
-The Gryphon
-Eaglet
-Bill the Lizard
-The Carpenter
-animals like, mome-wraths, jub-jubs, bander-snatches, Boojums, and snarks
-Tugley wood? (Everlasting forrest)
-March Hare
-A talking dormouse (all them are fried in book)

Who knows.... they all could be explained away in the next book...

[HeartyHeather]

That was my first thought as well. That Hatter is Molly's father. I saw some similarities between the two and they made some reference to one of her parent's being a Milliner.

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

She's a halfer

Hatter's love interest is a civilian...
I'm guessing she's March Hare
Molly could be their love child, because Alyss noticed both are a like in ways.

[Lady_Melisma]

I figured Molly had to be Hatter's daughter by the civilian administrator, but it never occurred to me that Molly's mother could be a March Hare analogue. Certainly an intriguing idea worth exploring! Does Beddor read these threads?

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

I do not know, but wouldn't it be funny if Alyss saw the two in a tea party together? Dodgeson (Carroll) being told of these things by Alyss, could have developed the Mad Tea Party scene from that experience.

Maybe the name scrambled, Charm Haer, perhaps...
but it's a theory... I got no evidence of this at all.

I hope Frank Beddor does read my posts, he's been overlooking characters like the Dutchess, the Mockturtle, the Griffon, and not to mention about 50% of wonderland characters he could use.

[Princess Alyss Heart]

i've been reading these threads and i agree with everyone who said that Molly is Hatter's daughter. What do you think will happen to them in the upcoming books? You know what would be interesting....if they actually find out that they are "related" somehow. i wonder what would happen next if that happened. Any ideas?

[McGeesJabberwock]

i've been reading these threads and i agree with everyone who said that Molly is Hatter's daughter. What do you think will happen to them in the upcoming books? You know what would be interesting....if they actually find out that they are "related" somehow. i wonder what would happen next if that happened. Any ideas?

Y'know, it would be interesting if they were related but went through the whole series without knowing it - if it were done right.

[Princess Alyss Heart]

Y'know, it would be interesting if they were related but went through the whole series without knowing it - if it were done right.

yea i agree! that would be awesome if they find out in the last book that they are "realted" and we get to know more about hatter and molly's background life. It would make a pretty exciting chapter!

[TigerLily]

I hope this is a related question, wasn't sure where to post it -

In the book, doesn't the artwork for the Playing Cards look virtually identical to the battle droids in the newest Star Wars movies? (I'm no Star Wars expert, I just noticed the similarity). Did Beddor work on those movies?

Thanks,

TL

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

Frank is a writer, I don't think he's a designer.
Yes, the cards look like the Star Wars droids... they need to go back to drawing board or face lawsuits....

Remember Lucas will sue anybody, if anyone remember the old Battlestar Galatica legal battles.

[Princess Alyss Heart]

yea, they do look very simmilar to the droids in star wars. The drawings look amazing, but they look too much like the droids to be in public for everyone to see.

[Lady_Melisma]

I remember reading somewhere (can't recall where exactly) that the guy who did the concept art for the card soldiers was the same one who designed the Star Wars droids. I checked the names and they matched up - so it's not copyright infringement so much as it's a artist recycling an older idea/design.

[TigerLily]

That is really interesting. I assumed (and like I said elsewhere, I just read the book and am new to the site - always late to the ball!) that Beddor did all the art himself. Was it a group of artists, or just one, who did the art?

Thanks!

TL

[TigerLily]

Sorry, I found the page with the concept artists listed. Don't mind me. :)

[Princess Alyss Heart]

I remember reading somewhere (can't recall where exactly) that the guy who did the concept art for the card soldiers was the same one who designed the Star Wars droids. I checked the names and they matched up - so it's not copyright infringement so much as it's a artist recycling an older idea/design.

i think i remember reading about that too! But they should still eliminate it because we want an Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass/Looking Glass Wars feeling....not a Star Wars feeling.

[Lady_Melisma]

Or rather, replace it with a different concept; I agree that the idea of Star Wars is pretty much entrenched in nearly everyone's minds when they see that art - either that or a sense of deja-vu.

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

Yes like a horrid song you can not get out of your head.

I used to like the series, now it's commercial and you see all these fool carrying around toy sabers. It used to be a pinncle of culture in cinema, now it's fodder for fan boys to fight and argue and collect their plastic toys.

[TigerLily]

I read the artists' bios, and at least three of them worked on Stars Wars (all Episode I, I believe).

There is just no need to use such a similar image for LGW. There is such rich imagery from both the original books and this one that the similarity makes the art seem a bit less original and creative. Besides, even Beddor's Wonderland doesn't have the mechanistic, futuristic feel of Star Wars, so the art shouldn't.

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

I never did like those weak looking droids...
They hardly looked like a threat, they helped spoil the prequels for me.
I'm sorry...

Nice find Tiger Lily...
*pours Tiger Lily a cup of tea*

[TigerLily]

LOL. Thanks Mad Hatter. You're a dear.

[HeartyHeather]

I've been watching this thread and just haven't had the time to post. I agree with the card soldier sentiment. When I opened the book and saw the drawings of the card, I immediately thought "Star Wars". I thought maybe I was just overly comparing the two but now that I hear everyone else's opinion, I know I'm not crazy. :)

[TigerLily]

Sorry to break it to you, but that just means you have a good eye, and maybe that you have some things in common with the rest of us. You may still be quite mad. That is especially true if you DO have things in common with the rest of us. ;)

[HeartyHeather]

Hahahahaha, that's really funny. I appreciate you confirming my not-quite-insaneness. Though, I will agree with you, I am quite mad sometimes. Aren't most of us? :)

[Princess Alyss Heart]

of course! We all are,and if we weren't then we couldn't call ourselves human. i know that sounds kinda cheesy, but its true! if someone isn't weird then they must be a pretty boring person....no effense to some people who might be reading this thread btw.

[Mobius]

There's no such thing as normal.
Humanity is abnormal, therefore if you consider yourself normal you are abnormal to those who are not normal, or in other words, abnormal. Thereby, you'd be abnormal in a normal world that's abnormal to the eyes of normal who are considered abnormal by the abnormal.

I can live with that.:D

[Princess Alyss Heart]

There's no such thing as normal.
Humanity is abnormal, therefore if you consider yourself normal you are abnormal to those who are not normal, or in other words, abnormal. Thereby, you'd be abnormal in a normal world that's abnormal to the eyes of normal who are considered abnormal by the abnormal.

I can live with that.:D

uh, yea.....i have absolutely no clue what you just said.:p

[kailee]

It makes since to me.

[Mobius]

"What is real?"
-Morpheus, The Matrix

[dark_faerie_knight]

There's no such thing as normal.
Humanity is abnormal, therefore if you consider yourself normal you are abnormal to those who are not normal, or in other words, abnormal. Thereby, you'd be abnormal in a normal world that's abnormal to the eyes of normal who are considered abnormal by the abnormal.

I can live with that.:D
omg...i actually understood that, therefore i am abnormal. =P oh screw it, im just me...a crazy one among u undecided confused ones...w/e. humanity doesnt make sense at all, so why bother trying to explain it in terms of normalcy, in my world, nobodys normal they can be w/e they want to be. =] :D

[Mobius]

Q: If it takes a chicken to lay half an egg in half a day, how long does it take for a grasshopper with a wooden leg to take off all the seeds on a dill pickle?

A: 24 secto-billys.

[dark_faerie_knight]

im not even gonna ask where u got that question and how in the world u came up with an answer...or w/o did.

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

There's no such thing as normal.
Humanity is abnormal, therefore if you consider yourself normal you are abnormal to those who are not normal, or in other words, abnormal. Thereby, you'd be abnormal in a normal world that's abnormal to the eyes of normal who are considered abnormal by the abnormal.

I can live with that.:D

I find that statement normal...

I reject your reality and subsitute my own...

[FearThePeeps7]

just going along with this coversation, I read that Question and answer thing and I too am wondering were in the world U got it:)

[dark_faerie_knight]

trying to keep up with threads when u havent been on in forever is verrrrrrry confusing. :o but abnormal is GOOD, ne? now, dont keep me thinking im the only one thinking that......:p

[Stickyshoez]

Just got an ARC. So far so good. I'm very excited to see how H. Molly develops as a character.

[WickedWonderland]

*reads over entire almost ten page thread*

*blinks*

wow.....uhhh.....So how about that book Looking GLass Wars? Some good stuff in that book.Yup....lol

No but seriously. I have too say that I as well saw the whole Card Soldier/Droid thing and honestly wasn't bothered by it or anything. I just assumed since Beddor used to work in films he still knew some people who continue to work in films, (one being Star Wars I assume) and he invited them to help him work on his conceptual art tand they brought the idea along in some way. The whole point it doesn't matter how they look as long as they continue to RULE. *ahem*
That being said...I wish the 2nd book was out...Y_Y I want to se more of all my favorite characters....Although to tell the truth I have to buy the first book again first as my younger cousin "accidentally" destoryed my copy. *growls*

[Could be Alyss?]

I read the first book a while ago and I've been dying to know when he's going to publish the second. Anyone have any ideas? I'm DESPERATE for the 2nd. I loved the first SO much! I've been obsessed with Alyce since I was a child. If anyone has any information about the 2nd book or would like to chat with me, please do!
the next book is coming out in august 2007, just so everyone knows...

[WickedWonderland]

Wish it was sooner....It's killing me trying to wait for what happens next!

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

Wish it was sooner....It's killing me trying to wait for what happens next!

If you think about it....August is technically NEXT MONTH :) So it's closer than it might appear! :D

Assuming, that is, that all goes as planned and nothing is pushed ahead.

[WickedWonderland]

Good point but it's like waiting for the next Harry Potter book (which I am aslo a HUGE fan of) and no matter how soon it's coming it's NEVER soon enough and in reality the day before is always the hardest to get through.

[Could be Alyss?]

i love harry potter as well... i really like the differences btw those books. Artistically i like LGW better though.

[alyssiana701]

i thought tht molly was hatters daughter too, but, in the book they shouldve said something like...in one paragraph they shuld of had somthing like:

hatter looked at molly intrigingly, he looked like he had deep thoughts. molly looked at hatter with cunfused eyes. I wonder if they know each other?

or did they have something like tht? i dunno....but we are soon to find out
I CAN'T WAIT !!!!

[WickedWonderland]

I agree with Could Be Alyss.
Artistically LGW is better. As far as storyline and character development I have to say tie.

[Queen Genevieve]

He will, of course, get the girl and live happily ever after. Or some facsimile of that.

[alyssiana701]

i cant wait till the book comes out, hey, my b-day is in august 1 of the best b-days ever i mean getting a psp AND the looking glass wars: seeing red!!!!!:D

[WickedWonderland]

You should wait about the PSP. I'm an avid gamer (*GASP* I know female gamer! It must be a witch! lol) and I know that there's a new special ice white PSP pack coming out later this year that comes with the game Daxter and some UMD movie and a whole bunch of new stuff for only $199 (which trust me is cheap enough seeing as how I bought one when it first came out for like $350 and it wasn't worth crap.)