Redd's SPOILER Thread: AVOID THIS THREAD IF YOU ARE STILL READING!

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

As I promised, 8-21-07, being the uprising of -er...I mean, the official release of "Seeing Redd", I have provided this thread for all spoilery talk.


If you don't want to be spoiled, change threads now.






I'm not kidding. If you do NOT want to know what happens before you read it....you shouldn't read here!







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*waiting for all of the last stragglers to go and READ!*


Still here? OK! Let's talk about "Redd"!

[Cheshire's_Folly]

Hatter Madigan and King Arch.

I was like "WHAT?!"

I literally just STARED at that end of the chapter for the longest time. I could NOT believe he did that (and he ended up not doing it). Just WHOA.

Also, I figured Molly was his daughter with all the insinuations flying around.

As for Weaver being ALIVE, that was COMPLETELY out of left field. Then she just, y'know, DIED again. Ouch.

But Alyss grew up! Yay! And that ended was PHENOMENAL! I can't wait to see how they deal with it in the last book.

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

Hatter Madigan and King Arch.

I was like "WHAT?!"

Actually, two words that still make me laugh...

"Oh Archy Warchy..."

[Cheshire's_Folly]

I KNOW! XD That was so... WRONG.

But Arch's got the upper hand now, especially with what he did to Redd AND Alyss. What I don't get is why he pretended not to notice what happened to Redd; I think he's gonna try to manipulate Redd into thinking Alyss did it to Redd instead of him, but I don't get WHY since Redd's on his side and hates Alyss anyway.

As for Alyss, think she'll recover? It'd be pretty boring without her powers to liven things up.

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

I KNOW! XD That was so... WRONG.

But Arch's got the upper hand now, especially with what he did to Redd AND Alyss. What I don't get is why he pretended not to notice what happened to Redd; I think he's gonna try to manipulate Redd into thinking Alyss did it to Redd instead of him, but I don't get WHY since Redd's on his side and hates Alyss anyway.

Another thought is that Arch's intentions are meant to only profit him in the end. Bear in mind, Arch doesn't think much of women overall. Notice he placates to both Alyss and Redd, telling both he'd rather have one over the other, depending on whose company he is in.

Assuming this self-interest idea is true, he'd have to work VERY carefully...Alyss, he might be able to play to, but Redd's paranoid and volatile, probably a LOT more so now than she was before she lost the Queendom as a teenager.


As for Alyss, think she'll recover? It'd be pretty boring without her powers to liven things up.

Well, the Crystal Continuum was showing signs of slowly recovering from the smaller version of WILMA..the test. Something tells me that recovering from the slightly-damaged-but-more-widereaching version will happen, but could take a LOT longer.

One guess I have is that Book 3 is that there will be a need to try to protect and do things without imagination...and how both Redd and Alyss react to it. Think about it...you're trained for YEARS to build up the one thing that now, suddenly, you can't use. Your ingenuity has to come in to work around that...

[Queen Alyss]

Yeah, I finally got a copy today and just finished. For a minute, I thought Alyss was going to die- which would have been lame. I guess that losing Imagination was actually a really good idea on Frank Beddor's part. I figured the whole 'losing to win' thing would have been giving up Dodge or something. (Which would have been terribly sad). But I hope she gets it back, because it's y'know, kind of boring without it.

Oh and Alyss & Dodge just need to get married and stuff. :)

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

Oh and Alyss & Dodge just need to get married and stuff. :)

But what's love without a little struggle? :D


..and pet names like Archy-Warchy :p

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

Also, I figured Molly was his daughter with all the insinuations flying around.

It was very highly insinuated, bordering on obvious. We had that brief timeline thing going, but hey, we more or less had our theories ;)


As for Weaver being ALIVE, that was COMPLETELY out of left field. Then she just, y'know, DIED again. Ouch.

Yeah, that -was- pretty awful. But it's a definite reminder of why the Millinery are trained the way they are. Emotions can be extremely dangerous. Just look at Dodge.

[Queen Alyss]

But what's love without a little struggle? :D


..and pet names like Archy-Warchy :p


Struggle is good but they really should by the end.


Yeahh, what was going on there? Redd was VERY lenient with him. Something more than friendship must have been there once... Even though now it says they can't both exist.

[Queen Alyss]

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[LadyWhiteRabbit]

But what's love without a little struggle? :D


..and pet names like Archy-Warchy :p

Agreed and Archy-Warchy made me snort and laugh hysterically as i pictured Redd speaking intimately with Arch XD

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

Agreed and Archy-Warchy made me snort and laugh hysterically as i pictured Redd speaking intimately with Arch XD

Well I don't know about anyone else, but I got the distinct impression that "Arch-Warchy" and Redd may have indulged in a few er.....adventures. Obviously, given the audience, you can't state that TOO plainly, but the implication is there.

Then again, I could never see Redd and Arch being more than casual intimates at best. Redd's too independent for Arch's liking, too controlling. Arch likes his women subservient to him, and I highly doubt Redd qualifies as such ;D

[McGeesJabberwock]

Overall, I thought SR was good, but rather forgettable. I must admit there was some good character development for Hatter and Molly, but it would have been better if Weaver had stayed dead like she was supposed to. Redd's 'teh EVULNESS' was still a bit overdone, but I liked the interview between her and Lewis Carroll. There were some things that made me roll my eyes, like the onomatopeia, and WILMA's name (I kept waiting for Arch to say Yabba Dabba Doo.)

I liked that the plot was less linear than in the first book, and I loved the fact that Alyss lost her powers; it'll make Book 3 more interesting. It was also nice to see Sacrenoir (sp?) again, and I hope Redd's past, especially her affair with Nolan, will be explored more (I giggled at 'Archy Warchy' too). Another thing I liked was the 'Alice' names used for Wondertropolis' locations, like the restaurant being called 'The Lobster Quadrille'. Think we'll be seeing Highly-Trained Superhero Ninja Underwater-Basket-Weaving Mock Turtle soon?

[redd_wars]

What did you think about Alyss and Dodge? I though it got a little mushy at times but what's a good book without a little romance?

And what about Weaver? I thought it was so bad that she died ....... again.

I loved the chapter where Molly was doing her training in the HATBOX. I thought that was really cool. An entire chapter on Molly fighting! Awesome! I love the way she and Hatter fight. It's like a mix of Mai and Ty Lee from Avatar. So cool!!

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

I liked that the plot was less linear than in the first book, and I loved the fact that Alyss lost her powers; it'll make Book 3 more interesting. It was also nice to see Sacrenoir (sp?) again, and I hope Redd's past, especially her affair with Nolan, will be explored more (I giggled at 'Archy Warchy' too). Another thing I liked was the 'Alice' names used for Wondertropolis' locations, like the restaurant being called 'The Lobster Quadrille'. Think we'll be seeing Highly-Trained Superhero Ninja Underwater-Basket-Weaving Mock Turtle soon?

GAH! I have to hear the Redd/Carrol interview.

"Oh Archy Warchy!!"

Sorry..still lovin' it...

[ReadingChick]

I got my copy on Monday, and my God it was kick-ass. So happy with it.

Anyone figure out where Molly got her hat though, if Millinery people make their own? Did she get hold of a hat that belonged to one of the deceased, or did she make it herself?

[QueenOfHearts_07]

I just got the new book yesterday and LOVED it - I ended up reading it in a night XD

I was so happy when Alyss and Dodge got together (one of them better not end up getting killed in the next book! I think there'd be a major outrage if one of them did :P). And of course, Molly being Hatter's daughter was a bit of a given; though I do agree that Weaver should have stayed dead rather than bringing her back.

As for Redd, well, we all love a good villain right? I mean, having her kidnap Lewis Caroll to write a book about her was just great XD

Can't wait for the next one!

[Princess Alyss Heart]

okay so does anyone else here think that was really stupid and disastrous how Weaver was alive and then she got killed? i mean WHAT THE HELL!!!???

i feel bad for hatter. thinking she was dead, and then seeing her still alive, then her dying again.....poor guy:(

[Queen Alyss]

okay so does anyone else here think that was really stupid and disastrous how Weaver was alive and then she got killed? i mean WHAT THE HELL!!!???

i feel bad for hatter. thinking she was dead, and then seeing her still alive, then her dying again.....poor guy:(

*raises hand*

Really- what was the point to that? It like Oh look! She was alive the whole time! and she just dies again a chapter or two later. I thought it was a bit lame.

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

*raises hand*

Really- what was the point to that? It like Oh look! She was alive the whole time! and she just dies again a chapter or two later. I thought it was a bit lame.

Remember: Hatter is not supposed to be emotionally attached to anything. His relationship with Weaver was technically a forbidden one, prone to the risks associated with it. Their situation is exactly why the Millinery had that rule in place; granted, it was not an easy one to follow, but its intent was to keep Millinery focused on what their job was...which from what I read, is above and beyond your ordinary law enforcement. I mean, think about it: Hatter's responsibility was to a -Queen-. There is no room for error.

I think the entire Weaver situation was written to prove that Hatter was not infallable...that he was as much a regular man as a Millinery, with feelings and emotions, as bottled as he kept them, as any other man. We also get to see Hatter learn, the hard way, why certain rules exist.

And it's really not only a chapter or two. I have to check but I dare say it's a fair amount.

[Mac13eth]

Some authors bring people back from the dead in annoying ways (cough Tolkien cough Gabaldon cough); I think "she was captured not killed" is a pretty fair way to do it. Killing her again was... well... someone had to die.

[ReadingChick]

Some authors bring people back from the dead in annoying ways (cough Tolkien cough Gabaldon cough); I think "she was captured not killed" is a pretty fair way to do it. Killing her again was... well... someone had to die.

Apart from someone having to die, like Viciousness said earlier, Hatter was shown not to be infallible... I think there was benefit for Molly, too. I don't think she'll be as rash or reckless after this, as if the results of the test version of WILMA wasn't enough. And, well, it saved them both some awkwardness. It's a horrible thing, but they can bond over it.

You know what they say about clouds and silver linings.

[The Dark Hatter]

first of all, i just finished and it was AWESOME.
following the discussion, I agree with Her imperial vicsiousness it was neccesary for the plot it just woulden't seem right Hatter and Weaver i actually liked him better when he was a mysterious stone-faced warrior in black. but it was lame her being not dead than alive if i was beddor i would have errased the whole hatter/weaver thing completely.
oh and it seems to me as a teenager Redd used drugs (or crystal stimulants) and had "forbidden fun" with arch and thats one of the reasons she became so evil. Being a book targeting younger people, though, beddor coulden't describe it in full.

[roma2233318]

I finished reading it and I was like wow.
I don't really get why Beddor had to have Weaver alive and then kill her. What was the point of that?
I thought Seeing Redd was amazing though. :)

[The Dark Hatter]

totally. {::}

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

I finished reading it and I was like wow.
I don't really get why Beddor had to have Weaver alive and then kill her. What was the point of that?
I thought Seeing Redd was amazing though. :)

If you go back a little bit in the archive of this thread, you can see what my thought was on that :)

[I am AUTOBOT BUMBLEBEE]

Yeah, that -was- pretty awful. But it's a definite reminder of why the Millinery are trained the way they are. Emotions can be extremely dangerous. Just look at Dodge.[/QUOTE]

yeah 'cause look at him he's such an EMO!well he is to me anyways