where's the love?

[semperAMOR]

ah.
cliffhanger there for the rooting Alyss and Dodge fans.
I'm somewhat on a limb, i can't see lgw putting forth enough romance that my little mind usually craves in the next book.

and for hatter, where's that going?
in my crazy mind i thought for sure that that in the hallogram crystal it was the previous queen that hatter was looking upon. That was before the whole Homburg Molly made herself known, thus crushing my dreams of hatter serving his queen so diligently based on a secret love interest. :(

so, what pairings have your crazy mind made?
and what do you want to see?

[dark_faerie_knight]

well, there's obviously a thing between dodge&alyss. not only are they childhood buddies, but a budding pair...i hope. well, things arent too mushygushy loveydovey yet, which would seriously twist the plot. i do thingk they will marry tho. has to be...

btw, the lady in the hallogram? i bet that was hatters one love and that she died. duh! i say that molly is hatters daughter and the mysterious lady in the hallogram is the mom. that would makes sense-cuz of molly being a halfer.

aw well...cant know anything till the darn next book comes out...

[semperAMOR]

gotta agree about the lady and hatter.
obviously. :D

[dark_faerie_knight]

gotta agree about the lady and hatter.
obviously. :D

am i the only one who noticed?:p

[Sex.C.Bear]

Na that is Exactly how i see it too cause hatter onlybecame sad when he heard that the Cut and tracked down and killed all the Millinery and all who had anything thing to do with them even the (i think it said) Secritary/ book keeper lady, (no time to check the book right now) was also killed that being the one he loved/made babys with (well one baby being molly). Or have i just restated the completely obvious? dont even know why im bothing to say this it is that obvious now that i think about it! ehhh too late now!:p

[Alyss of Hearts]

ah.
cliffhanger there for the rooting Alyss and Dodge fans.
I'm somewhat on a limb, i can't see lgw putting forth enough romance that my little mind usually craves in the next book.

and for hatter, where's that going?
in my crazy mind i thought for sure that that in the hallogram crystal it was the previous queen that hatter was looking upon. That was before the whole Homburg Molly made herself known, thus crushing my dreams of hatter serving his queen so diligently based on a secret love interest. :(

so, what pairings have your crazy mind made?
and what do you want to see?



I agree with that but i think hatter might find a girlfriend because you saw how hard he took it when that one girl died he kept looking at that hologram crystal

[Alyss of Hearts]

well, there's obviously a thing between dodge&alyss. not only are they childhood buddies, but a budding pair...i hope. well, things arent too mushygushy loveydovey yet, which would seriously twist the plot. i do thingk they will marry tho. has to be...

btw, the lady in the hallogram? i bet that was hatters one love and that she died. duh! i say that molly is hatters daughter and the mysterious lady in the hallogram is the mom. that would makes sense-cuz of molly being a halfer.

aw well...cant know anything till the darn next book comes out...




didn't it say the women was in the millinery??????????

[Sex.C.Bear]

didn't it say the women was in the millinery??????????


Molly is 13 right with no perants right? same attitude as Hatter also!

Hatter and Alyss were away 13 years!

therefor Molly could have been born while Hatter was in our world and never known! also it said -im quoting-

'Among them a Woman of Ordinary Birth who, though not herself a member of the Millinery, had overseen its administrative nececessity, and for whom Hatter had cared more than any other.'

from all that u can see Molly is Hatters daughter and that, the woman was Mollys Mother as well as the Halver "h" come from being there Child.:eek:

[Alyss of Hearts]

Molly is 13 right with no perants right? same attitude as Hatter also!

Hatter and Alyss were away 13 years!

therefor Molly could have been born while Hatter was in our world and never known! also it said -im quoting-

'Among them a Woman of Ordinary Birth who, though not herself a member of the Millinery, had overseen its administrative nececessity, and for whom Hatter had cared more than any other.'

from all that u can see Molly is Hatters daughter and that, the woman was Mollys Mother as well as the Halver "h" come from being there Child.:eek:


Where does the name homburg come from then

[dark_faerie_knight]

u guys just realized this all? :)
lol, i think homburg is a kind of hat...whay are we the only ones who are about this? this is tooo interesting. molly is definately hatters kid. but even tho the lady was said to be in the millenery[cant remember, dont have book with me...], she COULD be of ordinary birth, like one of u said. that explains y molly is a halfer. long live logic, even tho i hate it...:D

[Sex.C.Bear]

u guys just realized this all? :)
lol, i think homburg is a kind of hat...whay are we the only ones who are about this? this is tooo interesting. molly is definately hatters kid. but even tho the lady was said to be in the millenery[cant remember, dont have book with me...], she COULD be of ordinary birth, like one of u said. that explains y molly is a halfer. long live logic, even tho i hate it...:D



That was a Quote from the book that said she was of ordinary birth! and yes Homburg is the kind of hat the she uses! it also says that in the book but i can be bothered trying to find the part because i have no clue as to what part it was in!

[dark_faerie_knight]

it also says that in the book but i can be bothered trying to find the part because i have no clue as to what part it was in!

same here...i think it was near the end when he starts viewing the the hallogram...i dunno

[Sex.C.Bear]

ill try find it! might take a while

[Sex.C.Bear]

screw it im just guna ready the book again

[Alyss of Hearts]

u guys just realized this all? :)
lol, i think homburg is a kind of hat...whay are we the only ones who are about this? this is tooo interesting. molly is definately hatters kid. but even tho the lady was said to be in the millenery[cant remember, dont have book with me...], she COULD be of ordinary birth, like one of u said. that explains y molly is a halfer. long live logic, even tho i hate it...:D


try this for a twist of an idea perhaps mollys mom was a halfer and her dad Hatter what do you think on that

[dark_faerie_knight]

try this for a twist of an idea perhaps mollys mom was a halfer and her dad Hatter what do you think on that

i dont think that the lady was a halfer, it said that she was in the millenary. there would have been no way. she was most likely a person of ordianry birth. can u plz stop writing in dark red? its kinda hard to read. thanks. :)

[dark_faerie_knight]

ill try find it! might take a while

i cant find it!!! and i read it over again!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Sex.C.Bear]

Its on Page 188 Last Page of Chapter 27!!

[dark_faerie_knight]

thanks! i'll go check it out.:)

[Anailee Hunter]

I have to agree with it all it makes sense Beddors writing reminds me that of J.K. Rowling always some thing to be found beneath the surface.

[Alyss of Hearts]

I have to agree with it all it makes sense Beddors writing reminds me that of J.K. Rowling always some thing to be found beneath the surface.


I double on that

[Anailee Hunter]

I hope they do a good job on it it would totally kill the book if the movie sucked

[dark_faerie_knight]

I hope they do a good job on it it would totally kill the book if the movie sucked

they better...OR ELSE!!!!! :D :D :D

[Anailee Hunter]

oh yeah!!!! lol.

[aliddellobsessed]

I can't say that Beddor reminds me of Rowling. Rowling is an author where Beddor is not. Rowling is a very successful woman, and to be frank, has very complex and complicated characters. Albeit she is following the archetypal storyline of the hero (if you don't know about this, then please look it up and then understand Harry will die) and she is following her archetypes and what must happen to the letter, this is a prime example of education and decent writing.

Beddor, on the other hand, shows little to no knowledge of exemplary characters, character development, nor any complex characters. Although Rowling has done some interesting, if not annoying parts, in her books, she is still considered a decent author. Beddor is largely unknown, and his writing reads like a screenplay. Which apparently it was wrote for - but does that really mean he can just write whatever he likes, in whatever style, and we're supposed to defend its inadequacies by saying "Oh, it's supposed to be like a screenplay." Was he relying on the fans to say that so that in the end, while it is hardly worth calling a book, we defend it?

How many of you were Alice in Wonderland fans before you picked this book up and tend to enjoy most things Alice? Did he expect that of you?

[McGeesJabberwock]

I can't say that Beddor reminds me of Rowling. Rowling is an author where Beddor is not. Rowling is a very successful woman, and to be frank, has very complex and complicated characters. Albeit she is following the archetypal storyline of the hero (if you don't know about this, then please look it up and then understand Harry will die) and she is following her archetypes and what must happen to the letter, this is a prime example of education and decent writing.

Beddor, on the other hand, shows little to no knowledge of exemplary characters, character development, nor any complex characters. Although Rowling has done some interesting, if not annoying parts, in her books, she is still considered a decent author. Beddor is largely unknown, and his writing reads like a screenplay. Which apparently it was wrote for - but does that really mean he can just write whatever he likes, in whatever style, and we're supposed to defend its inadequacies by saying "Oh, it's supposed to be like a screenplay." Was he relying on the fans to say that so that in the end, while it is hardly worth calling a book, we defend it?

How many of you were Alice in Wonderland fans before you picked this book up and tend to enjoy most things Alice? Did he expect that of you?

I was an Alice in Wonderland fan before I picked up LGW, and it was the main reason I bought it, as well as the fact that I enjoy 'dark and evil' versions of Wonderland and Oz.

Getting back to style, the aforementioned quote actually shows that Beddor has a lack of subtlety, like the fact that White Imagination is 'good' and Black Imagination is 'bad'. That quote just speaks down to the reader, comes out of nowhere and makes Molly's connection to Hatter too obvious.

I also think, speaking of Harold Potter, that Beddor seems to be attempting to capture some of the 'magic' and charm of those books, since jollyjellies and tarty tarts feel like echoes of Bertie Bott's Every Flavour Beans, and both Harry and Alyss see their dead parents in a mirror. It doesn't really work in this context though, since LGW is meant to be high fantasy set in a complex world, while HP is set in our world, and LGW's tone is meant to be action-packed and sci-fi-based than HP.

Nice analysis though, aliddellobsessed. Beddor's style actually reminds me of that of RL Stine. One or two critics compared it to Dan Brown's, while some users on the American McGee boards compared it to fanfiction.

[dark_faerie_knight]

How many of you were Alice in Wonderland fans before you picked this book up and tend to enjoy most things Alice? Did he expect that of you?

hey...i was a total alice fan:D ...but disliked the disney movie version XP:p . but i still love alice in wonderland. alyss is more of a 21 century-futuristic-modern version of the original blonde haired classic. i did enjoy the little alice more than alyss because what is more amusing than the ill-logical, mind bogglong, and curious adventures of a girl thru a mirror/tiny door? it cant get any classic than that...i really dont think that beddor expected us to enjoy most things alice-like, i mean, u didnt have to be an alice fan to enkoy this book. my sister hated alice in wonderland becuase it didnt make any sense to her but she still liked LGW anyway.

[aliddellobsessed]

I'm not suggesting you had to be an alice in wonderland fan to enjoy the book. What I'm suggesting is that perhaps Beddor took only what little he had to from the Alice books in order to apply to particular spectrum of readers. He was focusing on people who liked alice in wonderland. Thus, most people who bought the book/picked up the book, were already fans of or enjoyed alice in wonderland and through the looking glass.

You stated your sister, whom hates alice in wonderland, liked lgw. That's fantastic. But I assume she got it from you. And thus, through alice readers, Beddor is getting more notoriety amongst non-alice fans.

[dark_faerie_knight]

And thus, through alice readers, Beddor is getting more notoriety amongst non-alice fans.
i havta agree on that...

[semperAMOR]

don't get me wrong, i love harry potter(<3<3), but JKR isn't a writer, just as beddor isn't.

JKR was and for most of her career a secretary. there's nothing wrong with that at all, money and income is important and how you get it, well, you can't 'hate' on someting like that. respectable is having a job at all. but in saying that JKR is better than Beddor is somewhat of an overstatement in my opinion.

>sigh<
ah, how i await the romance of the next book. :p

[aliddellobsessed]

Rowling is an author, not a writer. Beddor is a writer, not an author. Please don't confuse the two if you're going to contest what I'm saying.

[dark_faerie_knight]

JK IS AN AUTHOR!!! atleast shes more of an author than beddor. shes more well known and highyl sucessful, btw, every1 lubs harry potter.

[Queen Alyss]

JK IS AN AUTHOR!!! atleast shes more of an author than beddor. shes more well known and highyl sucessful

She's only published 6 books +a few little things. That's really not very many.

[dark_faerie_knight]

yeah, but considering her immense popularity and fame, it is a lot. w/e. this thread totally went off subject...lol

[semperAMOR]

quanity has no correlation to being an author(creator) or a writer(someone who writes.)

i'm not so sure i even agree with what i said previously on an older post. :o

[semperAMOR]

Rowling is an author, not a writer. Beddor is a writer, not an author. Please don't confuse the two if you're going to contest what I'm saying.


actually-
i have to say jkr is an author for creating, but she also writes, making her a writer in the simpliest form.

and beddor writes, but he's a producer. and to say that none of the ideas in LGW isn't original is somewhat of an insult. to say that is to say he's not an author when he has created somewhat of an original world. indeed it is branched from an established story.. but part of the world of LGW IS original, thus the authoring part.

i think it's very hard to not be one without the other. at least when it comes to written works.

and then to say that nothing is original is just to go in circles.

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

Here's my theory...

The Lady is the March Hare, and Hatter is in love with her...

Molly is their love child.

[Blue]

ah.
cliffhanger there for the rooting Alyss and Dodge fans.
I'm somewhat on a limb, i can't see lgw putting forth enough romance that my little mind usually craves in the next book.

and for hatter, where's that going?
in my crazy mind i thought for sure that that in the hallogram crystal it was the previous queen that hatter was looking upon. That was before the whole Homburg Molly made herself known, thus crushing my dreams of hatter serving his queen so diligently based on a secret love interest. :(

so, what pairings have your crazy mind made?
and what do you want to see?

What if Hatter is Molly Father?
Have you ever thought of that?
I mean you never now>? And ya i would like
to see some more romance between Allyss ANd Dodge.

[Mad Hatter Madigan]

Molly = Halfer
Hatter mention the lady is civilain, and he's in love with her.
Hatter + Lady = Halfer = Molly who fights like Hatter.

[kailee]

ah.
cliffhanger there for the rooting Alyss and Dodge fans.
I'm somewhat on a limb, i can't see lgw putting forth enough romance that my little mind usually craves in the next book.

and for hatter, where's that going?
in my crazy mind i thought for sure that that in the hallogram crystal it was the previous queen that hatter was looking upon. That was before the whole Homburg Molly made herself known, thus crushing my dreams of hatter serving his queen so diligently based on a secret love interest. :(

so, what pairings have your crazy mind made?
and what do you want to see?

Well i talked to mr.bedor and he said that in the end they would kiss*Claps hand over mouth and openlong enough to say* you didn't hear it from me.

[dark_faerie_knight]

Well i talked to mr.bedor and he said that in the end they would kiss*Claps hand over mouth and openlong enough to say* you didn't hear it from me.

r u serious? heyyyyy...how come u get to find out so soon!!! lucky u...:p
and btw, the arguement of whos an author and whos not [btween rowling and beddor] is totally getting out of hand. w/e. authoring is original no matter where or when the writer got the idea from to create a new book. beddor is original-in a new twist that is. jk is another story. shes original too so originality has nothing to do with what makes author.

[kailee]

I got to find out cuz i might play alyss in the movie..

[frankie]

definitely hatter M. and Homburg Molly. they're perfect for each other
im not to sure about Dodge and Alyss. hes too weird
in the sequel i think they should find a love for Bibwit. he could do with lettin off some steam

[dark_faerie_knight]

bibwit seems too lost in his academic mind to have a love life. hes too much of a bookworm to ever consider having someone in his life. as if u didnt realize...=] XD

[frankie]

dont u think its about time u got ova urself?!??????!!!!!!

im deep in my academic mind and i read a lot of boks but i still fnd time to fall in love

maybe u just need a girl to come along n lick u into shape or maybe a guy

who knows??????

[dark_faerie_knight]

dont u think its about time u got ova urself?!??????!!!!!!
who knows??????

whats tht supposed to mean?!!!!!? im supposed to be the mean one!!! anyway, i was just kidding around with u. ALTHOUGH i DO think that bibwit should keep it to himself and mind his own skills. haha-getting a lover might be too hard or new for poor ol'bibwit. who knows...the affect of that might become tragic...plus, i just cant see bibwit with a person to love. idk, it just never occured to mean. yes, im a huge reader and so may u but we're not bibwit, or beddor. its his decision whether or not he wants a female character [sry-i dont think bibwit is homo] to play along side him. w/e.
AND WATCH THY TONGUE!!! lol-so random...

[frankie]

maybe bibwit is a homo
like sum1 i no
mentioning no names *cough* dark_faerie_knight

just kiddin

[dark_faerie_knight]

u better have been joking...:eek: *glares quizzically*:rolleyes:
hey, at least im not the one who mistook someone for the opposite gender...*not gonna mention any names here...dont wanna get sued* :p
:D

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

Wow...this is an.....interesting thread.

But here's my thoughts..some may be echoes of what others have said, but what the hey.

Alyss and Dodge are a very likely couple. Most likely in my mind.

I doubt that Hatter will stumble upon anyone else...he strikes me as a man who had but one love, and would probably feel he could never find another to compare if his one love is dead.

Let's...not think of who Bibwit would hook up with and say we did, eh? He strikes me as one of those characters that has no interest in that sort of thing. His first love is knowledge, and a pile of thick books are his romance. His satisfaction is in educating and tutoring. That's it. Sexual preference? "How many pages does it have?" :p

Homburg is a type of smaller hat. In fact, if you want a visual reference, watch "League of Extraordinary Gentleman".... the hat Mina Harker wears is a homburg. It would make sense for someone like Molly, who strikes me as fairly young, small, and not experienced enough to use something like what Hatter Madigan uses. ;)

(This suddenly makes me think of a certain comedy skit involving the size of hats and power associated thereof...but we'll leave that aside)

Yes, there is a very distinct possibility of Hatter's paternal relation to Molly. Pretty thinly veiled if you ask me. :)

Also...want to avoid the comparisons between JK and Frank. The only comments I can add is that they are different writers with different styles and that are doing entirely different things. JK's building her own world piece by piece, Frank is working within, to some extent, the confines of a world created by someone else. Each process has its advantages and disadvantages, it's good and its bad. Personally, I don't care as long as I have the ability to lose myself in the world sitting in that book in the time that I am reading it. Maybe I don't ask enough of my literary works, but hey...that's me.

OK, this is probably too long of a post...but hey, I had a lot to say ;)

[ReadingChick]

OK, this is probably too long of a post...but hey, I had a lot to say ;)

You were interesting, so I don't think that any of that post was wasted. :)

Alyss and Dodge is pretty much a sure thing, in my mind. The majority of fantasy tales have a romance/romance-in-the-making. I doubt that 'The Looking Glass Wars' is going to be very different, in that regard.

Adding to what you said, Hatter would probably feel that to love anyone else was disloyal, anyway. I would.

(That comedy skit sounds like an interesting idea... Want to build a little more on it? :p)

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

You were interesting, so I don't think that any of that post was wasted. :)

Well, one never knows ;D


(That comedy skit sounds like an interesting idea... Want to build a little more on it? :p)

I want to say it was Denis Leary..or perhaps Eddie Izzard..something about the Catholic church..and the Pope having a huge sombrero....I'd have to confirm.

Speaking of Eddie...suddenly my mind tried to think "Who would Eddie be in Wonderland?" And then, my black imagination broke and said You're fired. You are so very very fired.

[ReadingChick]

You're fired. You are so very very fired.[/I]

...I don't understand that, but somehow I am still laughing.

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

...I don't understand that, but somehow I am still laughing.

My work here is done.

Viciousness away! *superheropose!*

[princessheart]

alrighty then. good job viciouness u managed to keep us all confused and laughing!! very talented:p well i havent been on this sight in a few months and wow am i regretting it. i just went through this whole entire forum and i am pleased to see that i think it is the longest one here. but im not sure =/ neways its nice to be back.


<3 princessheart

p.s hey dark farie night..............(or however u spell ur name i forgot) wow ur gender was confused again lol

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

Hee. :)

For those who are unfamiliar with Eddie Izzard, a quick search of YouTube might pull up some of his stand-up work. He's an English comedian that I was introduced to some time ago. He's also had some roles in a few movies (check IMDB on that part).

"HEEEEELP! I'm cover in BEEES!"

[princessheart]

o_O see now that makes a ton more sense lol :D

[Her Imperial Viciousness]

o_O see now that makes a ton more sense lol :D

I suddenly thought of Eddie as Older Jack of Diamonds. He'd need some padding though, especially in the rear end :D

[princessheart]

rofl. yup lots of padding! god i cant wait for them to make a movie im sooo excited! *dance* :D

[dark_faerie_knight]

I suddenly thought of Eddie as Older Jack of Diamonds. He'd need some padding though, especially in the rear end :D

:D LMAO that is genuis.....XD lond live ur viciousness. that guy is hilarious, be greatful for youtube for the rest of your lives yo!!!! russell peters is quite good too. lol :D
ah yes, dear princess, as for my gender, lets forget about that scandal and say im a nice elf who IS NOT gonna be making any shoes for you!!! who needs shoe elfs when u got fighting elves? =D:rolleyes:

[L-sama]

ok im putting a warning because some of you might get afended by what im about to say ok WARNING: im only jokeing when i say the things im about to say so know one kill me for saying this ok. any way getting on whoudn't it be weird if molly and hatter m. got to gether and whoudn't it be even more strang if jack of diamonds got to gether with bibwit. ok now im serous again i also think that dodge and alyss are a sure thing.